Christy Cornell April 3 at 9:49pm Does anyone know where this pitter excuse actually originated?

Christy Cornell

April 3 at 9:49pm

Does anyone know where this pitter excuse actually originated?

" In the 70' it was GSD's, in the 80's it was Doberman's, in the 90's it was Rotweillers, blah, blah,blah.." ( or whatever version of dates, order of breeds)

I hear this strawman fallacy all the time, sometimes on a meme picturing Cesar Milan, and I really want to know who started it or from which (probably pro-pitter) organization it originally came?

Did the king pitbull pimper Cesar Milan start this BS up, or is he just the loudest pitter parroting it?

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  Julia Dolan Green It pre-dates Milan. It's been around as long as I've been aware of the issue, so 30 years or so?

  April 3 at 10:02pm · Like · 2
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  Eve Sylvie 30 years? I've only heard it the past few years. 30 years ago pit bulls were just beginning to leak out into communities. The maulings and murders had not yet begun. 30 years ago Rottweilers were popular.

  April 3 at 10:18pm · Like
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  Julia Dolan Green Well. Mid-80s is when I first remember hearing about pit bull problems. That's when the prop machine started up.

  April 3 at 11:22pm · Like · 1
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  Nicholas Valentine Absolutely right Susan .

  April 3 at 11:45pm · Like
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  Lynne Smith The No-Kill movement had to revamp the pit bull image in order to get them adopted. Prior to No-Kill almost all pit bulls that came into a shelter were euthanized due to the possibility they could have been a fighting dog. The time period matches with what Susan said - late 70s/early 80s. Personally, I have had this argument given to me for the last 15 years, so it was established long before that. As with many things pit bull people say, I've seen the same talking points - often word for word - posted on many web sites but never anything cited, making it very difficult to find the source of the statement.

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  Sarah Howard You can put lipstick on a pig  Oh I removed my comments because I dont want to give them ideas, forgot this was an open group sorry.

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  Lynne Smith There is always an underlying reason for everything. And I think with pit bulls there were/are two forces at play: dog fighters who realize the more normal pit bulls seem the easier it is for them to do business (and sell off the dogs that don't fight), and the rescue community which views saving animals as the highest priority. While I do believe these groups act independently, I do think that in some cases the dog fighting lobby has realized they can use the rescue angels to further their own goals as long as they keep their real purpose hidden. We have all seen the pit bull chat forums where the real breeders and fighters know very well what these dogs are and that they laugh at the rescue people and their propaganda. But they don't speak up because it makes their lives easier. Ultimately, the average person would not adopt a fighting dog as a family pet. But create a past history of it being called a Nanny Dog, tell them its all how you raise it, tell them other breeds have been scapegoated before and have all of this coming from a person of authority, experience and canine knowledge, and to the average uneducated person the dog is a safe choice. People fall in love with their dogs, the emotional attachment will cause them to defend the dog and choose to believe the good things they hear, and reject the bad things. The calculated risk is that more pet pit bulls will act nicely, give people a good experience and cause them to fight for these dogs, giving you an army of support that can drown out the few that get a dog that snaps. But they got greedy. Instead of just adopting out the best of the pits, they now want to save them all including the known fighting dogs and the ones with known aggression issues. And since dog fighting has skyrocketed, there are more of these dogs around to adopt out, so they have to work harder, lie more, attack naysayers to get the job done. Look at the increasing fatality totals, the growing numbers of family pits that attack, the numbers of people flocking to groups like this, all with a story to tell. They took a minor problem that they used to call isolated accidents and turned it into a daily occurrence of attacks, deaths, and overpopulation. They have forced people to become educated and to demand protection.

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  Lynne Smith And to be clear, this mentality of saving them all is not confined to pit bulls, it has spread to other breeds as well. It's not a good idea for any dog. We simply can't save them all, as much as we would like to, and we need people in charge who can make those hard decisions.

  Yesterday at 12:23am · Like · 5
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  Jeff Borchardt Tell that to Best Friends Animal Society Lynne Smith.

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  Jeff Borchardt It's their frickin' motto

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  Jeff Borchardt Doberman Pinscher 
  
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  Yesterday at 12:26am · Like · 4
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  Sarah Howard can anyone spell P O L L Y A N N A ?

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  Lynne Smith I won't waste my breath with them Jeff. There are some people that are so caught up in their cause that they cannot see the truth and the harm they do. The goal is to make sure free thinking people see an alternative view and decide for themselves who is being practical and realistic, and who is simply living a pipe dream.

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  Jeff Borchardt So a few DBRFs was enough for the lovers of the Doberman breed to take the RESPONSIBLE route to FIX the Doberman... Not so responsible with the pit bull eh? Nope. In fact, they doubled down on their ignorance and get a bunch of innocent people killed and to hell with the other 40,000+ other animals killed by their breed of choice.

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  Lynne Smith Dobbie owners and breeders cleaned up their breed to avoid BSL. At this point, I don't think that is a workable plan for pit bulls because there are too many pits and too few responsible breeders. It could have been done earlier on.

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  Sarah Howard Most people who breed pit bulls are looking to make a quick dollar or are fighting them. Reputable dog owners just dont mess with pit bulls or AmStaffs.

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  Jeff Borchardt Ledy VanKavage is an EVIL human being. I think more of us need to point out her deadly and dangerous way of thinking. "Together we can save them all".... What planet is this vile piece of human scum from? Ledy VanKavage is just fine with animal abuse. As long as pit bulls are the ones doing it.

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  Sonya Del Rio Cerezo Its a bullcrap line anyway because I knew people were weary of pitbulls in the late 80's-early 90's.

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  Laurie Anne None of those breeds were concerned considered family pets.

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  Yesterday at 2:44am · Like · 2
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  Christy Cornell Looking a little closer at the Cesar Milan meme connection to this topic, I noticed something interesting. Anyone who quotes Cesar on this issue of maligned breeds of the past should realize that Cesar couldn't have first hand knowledge of what was going on in America as far as breeds being targeted for BSL and maligned by the media during the 70's and the 80's. 
  
  Cesar was born in 1969 and came to America when he was 21, so he was first here, on American soil, sometime in the very early 90's, probably 1990 or 1991. And even then, Cesar Milan spoke no English ( and I assume couldn't read it either). Basically, this leads me to believe that Cesar is just a typical pitter who is parroting what he's heard other pitbull protectionist say. After all, he was NOT here during the 70's and the 80's, so it's not like Cesar Milan could even offer up annnectdotal accounts of seeing GSD and Doberman be villianized by the American press, or say he saw those 2 breeds be targeted for BSL.
  
  From Wikipedia :
  
  " César Millán Favela was born on August 27, 1969, to Felipe Millán Guillen and María Teresa Favela in Culiacán, Sinaloa, Mexico. Millan grew up working with animals on his grandfather's Sinaloa farm.[10] Because of his natural way with dogs, he was called el Perrero, "the dog boy".[10] The family later moved to Mazatlán.[11] Millan crossed the border into the US without a visa when he was 21 years old and spoke no English.[10][12][13][14]
  
  Career
  
  Milan's first job in the US was at a dog grooming store. He later created the Pacific Point Canine Academy. Jada Pinkett Smith became one of Millan's first clients and supporters when he was working as a limousine driver,[3] providing him with an English tutor for a year.[11][12] Subsequently, Millan created the Dog Psychology Center, a 2-acre (8,100 m2) facility in South Los Angeles, specializing in working with large breed dogs.[15] "

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